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TasOak

Mon Feb 22 2021, 04:18am

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I have been working on Victory for about 5 months now, and as a newcomer to modelling, this is my second ship, I am still doing things a bit out of the norm. I am now 69 and all my life have had trouble studying, so my research is best done “ on-the-fly”, so I may not always have things quite right and will always be open to suggestions for improving my work.

This will also be my introduction to blogging, as diarising has been “someone else’s thing”, but I think I owe it to the rest of the modelling world in return for their help.

My experience is limited to a POB kit from AL, the cutter Le Renard, a model based on a tourist industry reproduction of an early 1800s privateer’s cutter. I tried to look past the 20th century reproduction and build it to the best of my ability as I felt it would have been originally and did not paint it as I am proud of my first attempt at planking. I am still in the process of completing the model with square sails still to be rigged, gunport hatches to be made, tender boat half built and Davits to be affixed. The rigging is not my favourite job, and have not touched it for 12 months, Victory has my attention now.

I am working from Bugler’s book and plans as my base reference and supplementing with other plans from John McKay’s Anatomy of the ship:the 100 gun ship HMS VICTORY, based on Bugler’s work but cross referenced to other sources. I have found anomalies in both books and have base my work on the line drawings in Bugler’s plans, the main profile drawing, sheet 2 in the set has a mistake in the vertical dimensions, which affects everything on the sheet, I can only think that someone in the production adjusted the vertical scale to match a top of keel/ bottom of keel dimension error. As sheet 1 is traced from the original 1759 Admiralty plans, I refer back to that sheet as my master reference.
Step 1 keel and stern post:

TasOak

Mon Feb 22 2021, 04:27am

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At this point, I have found insufficient detail for the bow and an anomaly in the stern post area, so I began on the frame timber’s, while I wait to receive my copy of McKay’s book of plans.

TasOak

Mon Feb 22 2021, 04:40am

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The timbers are quite rough as I expect to need to sand quite a bit to find the correct bevel angles as I go. I have seen many examples of exquisite workmanship in prefinished timbers produced by more experienced hands using milling machines, I use a coping saw as my main aid to manufacture😳

Lawrence

Mon Feb 22 2021, 09:30am

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Hello Glen, You are taking on a very difficult type and kind of a build. I admire your courage. I would suggest that you invest in a disk sander with a miter gauge on the table for building your frames hull blanks. My build log over on Ships Of Scale, Oliver Cromwell show's you just how I tackled this type of build by Canoe 21 Lawrence. I am not trying to scare you just trying to be a helpful Ship Mate.
Regards Lawrence

Baggywrinkle

Mon Feb 22 2021, 10:41pm

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I can only agree with Lawrence, some challenge you have set yourself mate. You have made a good start with the framing - they look nice and square.

One good thing, Victory has been studied, analysed and done to death theoretically so not much research need - just look for some good model build logs and photos.

cheers

Pat

jacknastyface2

Tue Feb 23 2021, 01:16am

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Photos---I have a few from a trip I made quite a few years back. Just give me a shout. Such a large ship full of interesting things. Hope I can be of help. Did you know that the stern galleries are NOT as they were built at launch?

Keith.

[ Edited Tue Feb 23 2021, 01:20am ]

TasOak

Tue Feb 23 2021, 03:43am

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Thank you Lawrence, I won’t take it as scare tactics, I can only try to build what I can in the time available, hopefully I can take it to some worthwhile stage even if it is a diorama of the shipyard in full swing. Who knows, I might have been bad enough to have a long life😆 if only the good die young.
Would the disc sander help with the scarf joints? That seems to be my slow point so far, and as others have said here, I see the final shape through the fingers, so I don’t worry too much about having to sand or file a fair bit. I have a Triton work station and disc sander conversion, but it may be a bit rural in the mitre gauge department, there seems to be a little too much play in the tee slots, but I may give it a go soon.

TasOak

Tue Feb 23 2021, 03:50am

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Hi Pat, yes there is a wealth of info out there already, and more all the time as more technology helps in the study of the real thing, framing has advanced a fair bit since those pics were taken, will update them shortly.

TasOak

Tue Feb 23 2021, 04:08am

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Hi Keith, I will be quite keen to see your pics when I get a bit further along, there are so many questions still unanswered that I don’t know which ones I need to ask first. I am aware of the stern galleries being modified about 1805 I think, but at this stage I have not decided which configuration to go with, I know there has been a lot of modernisation that I will try to set aside. The stern may stay at transom 11 for a while as I continue with timbers, or transom 12 if the counter did not change with the galleries. I will need much more info if I go with launch configuration.
One question, were the checkerboard floors original? I certainly hope not, they look out of place to me.