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| Brian Barnes |
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  Registered Member #4604 Joined: Wed Mar 25 2015, 12:09PMPosts: 11 | Peter and Arthur Thanks for the replies. I'll try out both the pins and the wood blocks and see which works for me. Great ideas. Arthur - interestingly, there are no cross trees - one top has a round hole cut in it, and slips over the mast and down against the top of the first flared part. The second top also has the same 6mm round hole, and slips onto the top part of the mast. These two tops then have smaller diameter round holes to hold the main top mast. See picture of plans. Part numbered 27 are the two mast top pieces. The picture shows both a side view and front view. I searched all over the internet for this type of design, but could find nothing. Everywhere I looked, there were the more usual squared off cheeks and trestletrees and crosstrees. But not here. Do you think this is not authentic and done this way to make the kit easier? I've also searched everywhere for information on HM Chatham, but mostly struck out - just one article on how the yacht was used to ferry Nelson's body from the Victory to its resting place. There are a couple of build logs that I found for this same kit, but could get no good information on the mast and fittings.  [ Edited Sun Apr 19 2015, 09:57PM ] | ||
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| aew |
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aew   Registered Member #1929 Joined: Wed Nov 30 2011, 03:05PMPosts: 2197 | I'd guess it's to make construction easier. To be fair, once it's assembled you won't really see whether it's a round or square hole in the tops but the shape of the mast head will be visible. I wouldn't worry about it, it's not something you could easily change and it's always possible it was round. | ||
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| Brian Barnes |
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| Registered Member #4604 Joined: Wed Mar 25 2015, 12:09PMPosts: 11 | Ok, thanks. I'll let it stand then. Thanks for double checking with me though - this being my first project and all. | ||
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| Brian Barnes |
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| Registered Member #4604 Joined: Wed Mar 25 2015, 12:09PMPosts: 11 | The last two weeks have been spent in two areas - continuing the first layer of planking, and continuing to shape the mast, gaff boom and driver, and yards. I've got the mast, gaff boom, gaff driver, and main and upper yards shaped. The instructions said to use 'walnut dye' on the mast a gaff booms, and paint the yards black. The guy at the local hardware store said that stain and dye were the same thing, and pointed me to some dark walnut stain. I tried using it, and the main mast ended up looking like it had some kind of pox disease! I ended up painting everything black - I hope that's going to look ok. The mast tops and the cleats are all walnut stained with a light stain, so they stand out pretty well.  From top to bottom, main mast and main top mast, bow sprit, gaff boom, driver gaff, main yard, main top yard. The yards don't have the cleats on them yet. Planking has been a different story however. as you will be able to see from the pictures. I guess I fell into the trap of 'this is the 1st layer, and doesn't need to be too good' - or maybe I'm just terrible at this part of the construction. Either way, I am embarrassed to post these pictures. The first two bands are finished, and I've placed one plank along the keel. One more band to go. I know it will look better when it is sanded down, and I have certainly learned alot from this process, so I am hoping that the second layer will turn out better. The second layer is walnut - but is the same thickness as the 1st layer - 1mm. I had read that the second layer was usually thinner. I tried measuring the bands, figuring out how many strakes, and then calculating the width at each bulkhead, but for some reason that lead me astray. You can see where the natural lay of the planks at the bow curves up pretty drastically and required several drop planks. I imagine the last band is going to require a number of stealers to cover that area at both the bow and stern. I have read about 'apple bow' and 'bluff bow' shapes, but can't really picture them in my mind. Can someone give examples of ships with the different bow shapes so I can look up pictures? Also, how do you think the bow on this model would be classified? I'm hoping someone will say 'this is one of the harder bows to plank...' but I don't think I'll be so lucky. Hope everyone has had a good couple of weeks. I've been enjoying reading all the build logs. Thanks for looking. Brian.     | ||
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| aew |
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| aew Registered Member #1929 Joined: Wed Nov 30 2011, 03:05PMPosts: 2197 | I'm not sure what an 'apple bow' is, but I'd guess it's just another way of describing one where the hull is more or less spherical in shape at the bottom of the bow. That's usually pre 18th century as things got more streamlined from then on. If you try planking a ball, all the planks have to meet at a point at either side - akin to the problem of making a map of the world on a flat sheet of paper. That's the sort of challenge that shape of bow presents. If it's any consolation, the bit you've done at the bow was the hard bit as the shape is a bit similar to that, but the next bit will be easier. You're almost certainly going to need stealers at the stern, but people don't seem to find those too much of a problem. | ||
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| Brian Barnes |
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| Registered Member #4604 Joined: Wed Mar 25 2015, 12:09PMPosts: 11 | Continuing on with the first layer planking. Nearly done with the hull. The first two bands started from the deck line and went down, and for the last band I chose to work from the keel up. Once that small gap is finished, I'll move on to the Bulwarks, which I think will be a little easier. It's pretty messy, but once it is sanded down I think it will serve the purpose of providing a foundation for the second layer. I also learned a great deal, and am hopeful that the second layer will go easier. The second layer will be painted below the water line, but stained above it, so it needs to look good.     At some point, not sure exactly why, I put a bit too much pressure on the bow stem and snapped off the forward most portion. I had a heck of a time getting any glue, either wood glue or CA, to hold, so I ended up gluing and then placing small blocks of the same walnut across the crack and gluing that too. Fortunately, this will be painted black and covered by the bow cheeks, etc. so I don't think it will be obvious (except to me ...)  Finally, I tried my hand at a little rigging. I made up the two anchors, and then seized the anchor rope back on itself. I used a technique I read about on here about using a slip knot, and it worked out well - in my opinion anyway. I'm anxious to get the planking done and move on, but need to be patient and take my time.  I'm going away for a couple of weeks, so I won't be making any more progress, but I will be looking in on the work others on this forum are doing. Then, when I get back, I'll finish up the first layer of planking, sand it, and post some pictures. I expect it will look better when sanded. Brian. | ||
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